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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby Knightscribe » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:31 pm

This is some serious Crisis on Infinite Earths type stuff here. This is a new one on me, I have to admit this is the first I've heard of the Mandela Effect. Thinking back, I can only recall one instance of something like this, and truth be told I'm not pretty sure it can be chalked up to a little kid misremembering the shit out of something.

There was one event in my early life this topic is making me recall.... When I was growing up my brothers and I had a lot of action figures. One day when I was about nine years old or so, I happened to find a tiny accessory under the couch in the den, went to one toy or another, but I had no idea which, it wasn't something I'd ever seen before, just a small flat rectangle of gray plastic.

At one point my parents bought my brother and I an action figure 2-pack from some weak-ass He-Man reboot that was released, came with He-Man and some dome-headed villain that had a pair of tentacles you could attach to his back. But when you looked at the bad guy's back, there was just one single small hole, too small by half to fit the end of the tentacle into it. A couple years after getting that toy, I figured out that that flat piece of gray plastic I'd found under the couch was what I needed to attach the bad guy's tentacles, it went in that hole in his back, and the tentacles attached to it.

To sum up, and I'd swear on a stack of Bibles to it: I'd found an accessory to a toy under my couch months if not a year or more before my parents bought me the toy. In a medicore suburban childhood, this little slice of weirdness always stuck with me. Again, could be I'm severely misremembering things, but in this instance I'm not totally convinced. I hadn't even thought about it for years now, but this talk of CERN potentially rewriting reality, while certainly far-fetched, is not the most ludacris thing I've ever heard. I'll have to look more into this, should be an entralling evening of Youtube viewing tonight....
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby ManWithAPlan » Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:03 pm

I've experienced a similar thing but in a different way.

Basically it's like a deja vu where I will come across an event, usually one that's about to occur, and instantly have the experience from that even before it even happens, as if I had experienced it before. And I'm not talking about a similar event or anything, I'm talking about THAT particular event. The problem is that it's impossible to re-create the event as it happened in my experience to test it and see if things go exactly the way I experienced it. Much like how you don't remember exactly what you did in what order when you woke up this morning, I don't remember exactly what happens during these events. So if I interact with it, it changes due to my new experience. If I sit back and do nothing, it changes since I didn't do nothing when I experienced it. And I can't just do what I did before since I have no idea wtf it was that I did, how and when.

But that's besides the point. The really weird shit is that sometimes (I'd say half the time) I'm 100% on point about the event. Someone comes into the office to tell us his sister from half way around the world just found out she's having twins? Yeah, I already knew that. Someone asks me to do something questionable and plans on screwing me over? Sure thing, just send me an e-mail reminder to do it, I'm busy right now.

It's like playing a video game where you re-load the last save and do things slightly differently. You have a vague memory as the character, but not sure why the hell that memory even exists.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby Hobgoblin » Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:24 am

Ok the looney toons thing sold me. I watched them every day as a kid, they were always toons as in cartoons, this is rather chilling
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby Greg Deman » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:21 am

womanhater wrote:This is a post I've been putting off for quite a while - why should become obvious as you read it.

First off, (for those who don't know) the "Mandela Effect" refers to a phenomenon where a large number of people remember things very differently than our history records it. Specifically, evidently many people remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980's and were shocked when he in fact died "again" several years ago.

There are many possible reasons given for this phenomenon ranging from mental defect to collapsing universes altering and merging timelines. If you suffer the Mandela Effect, then life is getting weirder and weirder. If you don't, then all who do seem like maniacs.

I have been suffering the Mandela Effect for about eight to ten years. In my case, being a native Texan who was a child in the 1980's when everyone was obsessed with the TV show Dallas, I very distinctly and vividly recall the actor who portrayed JR Ewing, Larry Hagman, dying of liver cancer in the early to mid 2000's. The problem with this, is that according to our current history, he died of leukemia in 2012. Imagine my surprise upon learning that he died "again".

But it gets weirder.

I remember Darth Vader saying "Luke, I am your father." I saw this movie hundreds of times growing up. The problem is that now he says "No, I am your father."

I recall the nerdy girl Dolly who hooked up with Jaws in the movie Moonraker having braces. Not anymore.

I recall the show being called "Sex in the City". Not anymore.

I recall the line "Play it again, Sam" in the movie Casablanca. Not anymore.

I recall Hannibal Lector saying "Hello Clarise" in The Silence of the Lambs. Not anymore.

I recall the book of Isaiah saying that the lion and the lamb would live together in peace. Now it says the wolf and the lamb.

I recall Forrest Gump saying "Life is like a box of chocolates." Apparently now it's "Life WAS like a box of chocolates."

I recall the evil witch in the Disney movie Snow White saying "Mirror, mirror on the wall." Now it's "Magic Mirror on the wall."

There are hundreds more of these examples. There are many websites dedicated to this phenomenon, and I have different recollections on most of the examples cited, but there are some where my memories align with the present history perfectly.

Apparently, many people recall the children's books The Berenstain Bears once being the The Berenstein Bears. My memory says it's always been like it is now.

Some other people seem to recall a large island to the east of Australia. I do not.

I'm not sure what the fuck is going on, but this shit is increasing in my life to the point it's starting to annoy and frighten me. I beginning to lend some serious credence to the notion that the LHC at Cern is seriously undermining our reality by making quantum changes that are altering our timeline.

Do any of you guys suffer this phenomenon? If so, how? Any ideas on what's causing it?


I think you're just misinterpreting how your memory works and giving it more credence than it should have. It's not like a hard drive that just stores 1/0 bits of data but it also stores our misinterpretations, what we specifically focus on, our projections, prejudice, feelings and other associations. So it gets the facts wrong, a lot.

If you've ever played Chinese Whispers you'll know how wrong people can interpret things said. Over time this misinterpretation can become mainstream so we believe for example "Play it again, Sam" was in Casablanca. I remember reading an article about 15 years ago with misquotes from Movies and that was one of them. It was never in the movie it was just a common misinterpretation.

R2D2's leg is something the majority of people would not pick up watching the movie, there's so much going on, so much to focus on in a rapidly evolving plot, special effects, lighting and so on that minor details like that are not picked up on. If they didn't include this in the toys then your mind would automatically fill in the gaps.

I don't know if you ever seen that youtube clip of a group of people throwing a ball to each other, at the start of the clip they ask how many times the ball is thrown so your mind is so focused on counting the number of throws that you don't see a guy in a guerilla suit walking around in the middle. It's funny when you play it back without watching the ball.

Same with the Zaprudder footage, everyone focuses on JFK and Jackie so all the other people in the car get blanked out of your awareness so that's how you remember it. I don't think the majority of people, even people who watched it on TV at the time would answer this question correctly.

"I have been suffering the Mandela Effect for about eight to ten years."

I would suggest it's not a Mandela Effect you are suffering from but that you grew up pre-internet when a lot of misinterpretations were never corrected and you just took them in. Now all that information is just a click away what you're seeing is the actual footage/facts.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby MrPolityczny » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:19 pm

Did I understand this correctly?

1) You claim that past events can change.

Ok... I can buy that. Quantum systems can have different histories...

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

2) You claim that only human memories remain intact.

Sorry I do not buy this part. We are not that special...

In my opinion that whole "Mandela Effect" is not more mysterious than fact that humans make spelling mistakes pretty much in the same places...
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby Orangutan » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:45 pm

womanhater wrote:Yeah, as am I. I very distinctly recall God creating the HEAVENS and the Earth. Now Heaven is singular.


That's spooky. I recall HEAVENS in the plural too.

The implications of this are interesting: if history has changed, but our minds remember the former reality, then there's obviously some disconnect between material reality and the mind, in which case what exactly is the mind if not the brain?
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby WheelBarrow » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:25 pm

Greg Deman wrote:I would suggest it's not a Mandela Effect you are suffering from but that you grew up pre-internet when a lot of misinterpretations were never corrected and you just took them in. Now all that information is just a click away what you're seeing is the actual footage/facts.


I know very well that some things have been changed. For example, A Mighty Fortress Is Our God. In The Lutheran Hymnal of 1941 the second half of the fourth line of the fourth verse goes "They yet have nothing won" while the Lutheran Service Book we have been using since 2008 has it as "Our victory has been won". I don't know what the original German that Martin Luther penned was, but the former fragment is a bit of twisted negative English intended as a positive while the latter is a simple positive assertion. The latter is definitely more understandable to today's parishioners while I prefer the former.

The Lord's Prayer is as I have it in memory.

Consider the Credence Clearwater Revival of "There's a bad moon on the rise" and how many people think it is "there's a bathroom on the right" which is nonsensical.

In another musical reference, on Def Leppard's Retroactive album is the track Fractured Love. One line is "iron fist in a velvet glove" which, if one is not careful can sound like "I pissed in a velvet glove". Again, nonsensical but what some people hear.

Over the years I have gotten much better at hearing lyrics. I think it has to do with being involved in amateur radio radiosport and having to listen to other stations provide their callsign and other information. Much of it is done using phonetics on voice with static and interference mixed, not unlike Rock 'n Roll!

There are other memories that I have been sure were X but have been proven to actually be Y. I never attributed it to anything other than the machinations of the brain.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby Notorious GIT » Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:45 am

Has a bald, flat affected man in a fedora hat with a penchant for upending pepper shakers into his jalapeño sandwich been visiting with you WH?

Personally, I believe that this could go either or a combination of a couple primary ways, with some scattered/uncommon deviation into some unknown ways.

One: actual weird shit about wormcornholing parallel universe witchcraftery.

Two: collective braining shit wrong.

But it's all as real as we perceive it, therefore when we die, all things end. Or am I a dream? Are you my dream? Am I strapped to a table this very moment as I hallucinate the tactile response if my phone's slight vibration as I type this as well as all other sensory input associated with contributing to this thread? With tubes and wires and shit stuck in my head? Intravenous drugs inducing this? My own psychosis? Is anything really real?

Think about how much of you is empty space held together by atomic... Magnetic... Fucking bourbon... Most of atoms are space between prtons, neutrons and electrons. You're most air. Or vacuum. Or whatever. So is Ent. Not me. My space is filled with awesome, atomic weight of fuck yeah. The rest of you though... Fucked.

You're all my dream. Stupid dream for having fallen asleep watching porn... Or gay dream... Fuck now I worry if I like penis and I'm not black enough for Milo
...

What in the shit biscuit were we talking about now?

Oh. Mandela. Lucky bastard... He's totally black enough for Milo.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby MrPolityczny » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:03 am

Notorious GIT wrote:Think about how much of you is empty space held together by atomic... Magnetic... Fucking bourbon... Most of atoms are space between prtons, neutrons and electrons. You're most air. Or vacuum. Or whatever. So is Ent. Not me. My space is filled with awesome, atomic weight of fuck yeah. The rest of you though... Fucked.


GIT your short lecture about particle physics changed quantum state of my brain to this...

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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby Dr Van Nostrand » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:37 pm

Geez, thanks womanhater! This has been me now ever since I discovered this thread a couple of days ago...

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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby fairi5fair » Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:55 pm

womanhater wrote:Here's another one-

Say the Lord's Prayer. Then go read it in the KJV.

If you're like me, it has changed.


Okay, I've gone through this thread, and my running theory is that the Mandela Effect is probably real and others are right to point out the feebleness of memory and mind. It's a combination of the two, and that helps make it too questionable and murky for regular conversation to ferret out a hypothesis.

I am prepared to recite the Lord's Prayer, though, and I haven't looked it up or read it since the 1980s. I'll check my result afterwards:

Our Father
Who art in heaven
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come
thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread
and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.

Okay, it checks out here and other places: http://www.catholicplanet.com/catholic/our.htm

The JFK footage got me: I remember a four-seater car, not the weird extended limo thingy. (gut: 86% weird as fuck{w}, 14% probably my own stupid error {e}).

"Sex in the City" is distinctly what I remember too, (gut: 78%w, 22%e)

Dolly with braces, holy fucking shit, reached back and grabbed a whole slew of memories! Jaws smiled at Dolly with his jaws, Dolly smiled back with her fucking braces, and it was love. That was the whole hook to it ffs. I was only a boy and I remember watching that, ever-intrigued as I was by the mystery of Jaws' character. I had to change the channels on that TV by turning a dial..., (gut: 94%w, 6%e)

I remember Lion and Lamb, and so does J. Daniel Gunther who was raised in a very Christian home and had the bible drilled into his head. I'm seeing leopard and wolf now as well as lion and lamb and the whole thing looks garbled and confused in google. Very strange. (gut 96%w, 4%e)

C3PO was all one color, no silver fucking leg. (gut 96%w, 4%e)

The rest of the notable examples above are all too murky and arguable for me. The Disney Movie Snow White wherein people remember "Mirror mirror" might be a remnant from the era where people saw movies differently. Then, after the bright-eyed children came away from the movie full of imagination, they might very well remember "Mirror mirror" in error because it would go along with the popular nursery rhymes that begin equally repetitively. "Patty cake patty cake, baker's man..." catches the same groove as "Mirror mirror on the wall". There's no music in "Magic mirror on the wall". Morgu's input would come in handy right about now...

I have my Grandpa's bible, Catholic Family Edition of the Holy Bible, John J. Crawley & Co., Inc. New York, 1953. Genesis I:1-2:

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth; the earth was waste and void; darkness covered the abyss, and the spirit of God was stirring above the waters."

Assuming the CERN model to be correct: What's interesting is that the results seem incomplete and/or inconsistent. For example, enough people seem to have memories of previous timeline-waves. In a total Marty McFly timeline disruption, we should all remember the new succeeding timelines as if they were the one and only true timelines. CERN may lose intensity as its effects radiate out from the source; geographical obstructions may hurt it; atmospheric changes may disrupt it; and people probably have varying degrees of neurological susceptibility to it.

Maybe governments have begun to delve into time travel, but they're sputtering at it like in 12 Monkeys.

I think there could be 5 or 6 different aspects to this all working together. Human fallibility can never be eliminated of course, and we are consuming media and data at a historically unprecedented rate. It's reasonable to see how so many disparate data sets and strands are all coming due for comparison and reedification.

But, let's say the avid skeptic crusader spends the time and effort to prove that it was always absolutely and without question "Life WAS like a box of chocolates". He further concludes with astonishing clarity that the tendency was for people to take the memory as something they could socialize about, and also a factor was the fact that Gump had a mouthful of chocolate when he said the line. But, after going through the most exhaustive scientific procedures, he was able to damn-near empirically demonstrate that people remember "Life IS like" because it played and continues to play better in conversation outside the watching-experience. This guy's study then goes on to satisfy those who don't want to consider certain other possibilities; "skeptics" will dismiss whole archives of examples based on one guy disproving the gump effect.

The base human tendency is to believe what makes one feel good. It's important to remind skeptics that real skeptics are skeptical of skeptics, skepticism, and themselves.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby MrPolityczny » Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:08 am

fairi5fair wrote:But, let's say the avid skeptic crusader spends the time and effort to prove that it was always absolutely and without question "Life WAS like a box of chocolates".


Role of sceptic is not to prove something, role of sceptic is evaluation of claim on base of evidence/s or lack of it.

Prove and evidence are not the same thing.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby The Shadow » Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:54 am

mountainman wrote:Perhaps we should take the red pill/blue pill stuff more seriously. They really are changing the Matrix! :D

Memories of C-3PO's leg are going to be confused. It's half gold and half silver. Attached is a screenshot from the original 1977 movie (as modified per quantum entanglement directive E149XQ):


I saw the original Star Wars back in 1977. C3PO never had a silver leg back then. Lucas DID modify SW, mostly by adding more CGI aliens in SW IV, mostly at the Mos Eisley spaceport.

Lucas also added a scene with Jabba the Hutt and Han Solo speaking to each other, while Jabba slithers next to Han who was walking, but I dont recall C3PO as anything but golden.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby The Signal » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:45 pm

The Shadow wrote:
mountainman wrote:Perhaps we should take the red pill/blue pill stuff more seriously. They really are changing the Matrix! :D

Memories of C-3PO's leg are going to be confused. It's half gold and half silver. Attached is a screenshot from the original 1977 movie (as modified per quantum entanglement directive E149XQ):


I saw the original Star Wars back in 1977. C3PO never had a silver leg back then. Lucas DID modify SW, mostly by adding more CGI aliens in SW IV, mostly at the Mos Eisley spaceport.

Lucas also added a scene with Jabba the Hutt and Han Solo speaking to each other, while Jabba slithers next to Han who was walking, but I dont recall C3PO as anything but golden.

I saw that thing in the theaters some dozen times, and then on VHS more times than I can count, and I do remember a silver leg in some but only some scenes. In the "Making of SW" shows they explained that the reason was one of the golden leg pieces was digging into Anthony Daniels' foot, so they got rid of it, resulting in the temporary one silver leg.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby The Shadow » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:24 am

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The Shadow wrote:
mountainman wrote:Perhaps we should take the red pill/blue pill stuff more seriously. They really are changing the Matrix! :D

Memories of C-3PO's leg are going to be confused. It's half gold and half silver. Attached is a screenshot from the original 1977 movie (as modified per quantum entanglement directive E149XQ):


I saw the original Star Wars back in 1977. C3PO never had a silver leg back then. Lucas DID modify SW, mostly by adding more CGI aliens in SW IV, mostly at the Mos Eisley spaceport.

Lucas also added a scene with Jabba the Hutt and Han Solo speaking to each other, while Jabba slithers next to Han who was walking, but I dont recall C3PO as anything but golden.

I saw that thing in the theaters some dozen times, and then on VHS more times than I can count, and I do remember a silver leg in some but only some scenes. In the "Making of SW" shows they explained that the reason was one of the golden leg pieces was digging into Anthony Daniels' foot, so they got rid of it, resulting in the temporary one silver leg.


Well, the thing with using Star Wars, at least the first three episodes, was that George Lucas, using his Industrial Light and Magic enterprise, is that George simply can't leave good enough alone. He must be OCD or something like it, IMO.

Thus what one sees on a VHS or DVD might have been changed, from the originals, but still, if my memory hasn't been altered by my age or time, or I have found myself in a different time-line, C3PO was always a Golden-clad android,

I did notice that, in the fleeting shots of "female" versions of the C3PO style of android, they did always remain Silver in color, not Golden, as our famous "C3PO" was, FWIW.

This is a shot of Lucas doing the directing from S-W III, "Revenge of the Sith", and as we can see, C3PO's legs are both Golden, not Silver:

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I must be remembered that Lucas filmed Star Wars as a stand-alone film, in case it failed, and was only squealed after it was' a major box-office hit, thus the ending where Princess Leia awards Luke and Han for their courage in battle over the Empire (while ignoring Chewbacca, BTW).

Lucas has never struck me as the kind of man who takes big risks, thus he sold off the Star Wars franchise to Disney, so I will not be viewing the new metro-sexual, "girl-power" Star Wars films, past this last debauchery of the S-W franchise.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby The Signal » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:21 am

It was only in the first SW movie that the one lower portion of a leg had to be removed, revealing the silver metal underneath. Also, it wasn't like that in every scene--only in a few of them. I don't remember this next part perfectly, but I think that first traipsing journey in the desert was where we saw the single silver leg (given my age, though, that last bit easily could be a false memory insertion). What I am certain of is that he had the one silver calf in the original theatrical release of SW. In all sequels and prequels, though, I don't recall the silver leg ever coming back. We see his wiring guts in Episode I, but that's it.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby fairi5fair » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:44 pm

MrPolityczny wrote:
fairi5fair wrote:But, let's say the avid skeptic crusader spends the time and effort to prove that it was always absolutely and without question "Life WAS like a box of chocolates".


Role of sceptic is not to prove something, role of sceptic is evaluation of claim on base of evidence/s or lack of it.

Prove and evidence are not the same thing.


Yes, I tried to say it as "avid skeptic crusader" to emphasize the passion and zealotry of one hypothetical person. Skepticism is too often used as an excuse for moral or intellectual cowardice, though you are probably mostly spared from this syndrome in Poland, I hope.

The thought I ended on about skeptics and skepticism above is one of my all-time favorites. It's easy to say the Mandela effect is obviously a mental thing and go along whistling. Assertions are just air. Testing one's hypotheses with an open mind is where the rubber meets the road.

And I've delved into this, watched a lot of videos, etc. I'm noticing a lot of inconsistencies, but a lot of things stand out. They did one of those singing-in-the-car thing with celebrities recently with Clooney, Roberts, Stefani, and some C-list driver no one knows. They were singing Queen's "We are the Champions". At the end of the song, they all were braced for the last "...of the world!" that ends the song, but it never came. It never comes anymore because it never existed, but we have video of 3.25 celebrities looking very confused about it*. I always remember the last line ringing out "...of the world!". Things like this are intriguing, make me think there is something to this, and prevent me from writing it off 100%.

100%s are something I tend to avoid, if I'm even capable of them at all anymore. Say you're standing right in front of me and stomp on my foot right before my eyes. I'm still only 99% sure at best that that's what happened. 1% chance says it was a strange convergence of events that seemed very much one way but was really combination of yet-undetermined factors W, X, Y, and Z.

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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby womanhater » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:43 pm

fairi5fair wrote:
womanhater wrote:Here's another one-

Say the Lord's Prayer. Then go read it in the KJV.

If you're like me, it has changed.


Okay, I've gone through this thread, and my running theory is that the Mandela Effect is probably real and others are right to point out the feebleness of memory and mind. It's a combination of the two, and that helps make it too questionable and murky for regular conversation to ferret out a hypothesis.

I am prepared to recite the Lord's Prayer, though, and I haven't looked it up or read it since the 1980s. I'll check my result afterwards:

Our Father
Who art in heaven
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come
thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread
and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.

Okay, it checks out here and other places: http://www.catholicplanet.com/catholic/our.htm


It's now IN Earth - no longer ON Earth...at least in the KJV.

And it's no longer trespasses but now this: And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Oh, and it's no longer "judge not lest ye be judged"...

I am all too familiar with the problems of human memory and neurology as I have over year of doctorate level training in neurology including dissection as well as clinical experience with the brain and nervous system.

I wouldn't have started this thread if I thought there was any reasonable explanation that didn't involve quantum interference.

And GIT - you leave September alone! He told me he wanted to go back to your childhood and fix it but when he did he saw what you were doing under those sheets and with what! He says he now tries to stay completely out of the 80's as a result of what he saw - and he saw Genghis Khan FFS!
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby womanhater » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:53 pm

And when the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz tells her monkeys to "fly my pretties!"? Yeah, not anymore.

And here's one for Morgu - the queen in Cinderella now says "Magic mirror in the wall" instead of "Mirror mirror on the wall"....
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby WheelBarrow » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:28 pm

womanhater wrote:It's now IN Earth - no longer ON Earth...at least in the KJV.

And it's no longer trespasses but now this: And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.


I think this is just a change as a nod to modernism. That said, our Lutheran Service Book still has "on earth" and "trespasses" (just recited this morning and I always follow the liturgy reading along). The "debts" and "debtors" goes back a long time as I recall first seeing those words used back in the '70s.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby womanhater » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:51 pm

WheelBarrow wrote:
womanhater wrote:It's now IN Earth - no longer ON Earth...at least in the KJV.

And it's no longer trespasses but now this: And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.


I think this is just a change as a nod to modernism. That said, our Lutheran Service Book still has "on earth" and "trespasses" (just recited this morning and I always follow the liturgy reading along). The "debts" and "debtors" goes back a long time as I recall first seeing those words used back in the '70s.


I'm not disputing the translations. I'm saying the KJV never used them.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby Eddie Willers » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:16 pm

Mandela-schmandela.

The Lord's Prayer I learnt as a kid in the 60s was lifted from the Anglican Book of Common Prayer and still says, "on earth as it is in heaven" and "Forgive us our trespasses"

I think a lot of folk 'remember' naught but a confabulation. In the case of corporate names and logos it can be due to the difference between phonetic and correct spelling (eg: Procter & Gamble - not Proctor; Febreze and not Febreeze), but in the case of deaths, movie scenes etc it's simply a faulty memory.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby EddieS » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:42 pm

Eddie Willers wrote: but in the case of deaths, movie scenes etc it's simply a faulty memory.


How does one explain so many with the exact same faulty memory? Cognitive bias would result in multiple differing perceptions. Rather than a more uniform subjective reality memory. For things with so many variables. One would expect a vast number of differing faulty memories. Not the same faulty memory.
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby DrunkenMaster » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:02 am

I understand your quandary WH , I may be wrong or incorrect here . I would hazard a guess that it is most likely your (and sometimes mine and others)inability to accept the distortion of events as stored in our memories , mine don't distort very much just the obligatory perceived time dilation due to comparative time passed versus current time . A lot of it is revisionist and alternate versions of things , versus the original and now with digital information it can make it difficult to find the original . Perception is huge I had for some time difficulties recalling or organizing my thoughts recently , recent names and events don't seem to be as accessible . Our brains are organic complex storage devices (quite miraculous) and as such there are a lot of factors that affect them from rest, nutrition, exercise, environment and more . The most obvious answer is usually the correct one , while I like the idea of multiple timelines and universes until we have proof it is hypothesis , I go with the constant in the equation , us .
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Re: Mandela Effect

Postby womanhater » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:30 pm

DrunkenMaster wrote:I understand your quandary WH , I may be wrong or incorrect here . I would hazard a guess that it is most likely your (and sometimes mine and others)inability to accept the distortion of events as stored in our memories , mine don't distort very much just the obligatory perceived time dilation due to comparative time passed versus current time . A lot of it is revisionist and alternate versions of things , versus the original and now with digital information it can make it difficult to find the original . Perception is huge I had for some time difficulties recalling or organizing my thoughts recently , recent names and events don't seem to be as accessible . Our brains are organic complex storage devices (quite miraculous) and as such there are a lot of factors that affect them from rest, nutrition, exercise, environment and more . The most obvious answer is usually the correct one , while I like the idea of multiple timelines and universes until we have proof it is hypothesis , I go with the constant in the equation , us .


There are residual artifacts from alternate timelines present in our current reality. I have (and always have had) a phenomenal memory and as one who's studied neurology I know well the shortcomings of memory. I also understand potential quantum explanations for this phenomenon.

I guess I'd simply have to say that you would feel very differently if you were experiencing the phenomenon. As mentioned above - this is not the faulty memories of one or even a group of people...it's substantial numbers of people with IDENTICAL "false" memories. That makes it worth seriously considering IMO.
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