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Postby xtc » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:28 pm

I've seen the idea of 'no fap' put around on the manosphere recently. As far as I can tell it says two things:
1. Don't jack off
2. If you must, at least don't look at porn

They promise immense, but vague, benefits.

I'm not convinced.

Not so long ago I went to sea for a month. With the close confinement and lack of privacy there was no scope to whack off, so I went a month without.
I noticed no positive effects whatsoever.
Over three to four days I felt increasingly horny, but then it reached a plateau. I can believe people go long periods of time without relief. The pressure doesn't build and build. It's more like going to the gym every day until you slip up.

If I wasn't at sea then I would have to devote a portion of willpower to resisting the temptation. Since willpower is a finite resource, this would leave less for other, more important, areas of my life.

Being more horny is not a positive in my book. I can't think of any circumstances where this is an advantage. Some No Fap advocates think this is good as it forces you to interact with women more in a desperate quest for sex. Putting aside the obvious MGTOW objections to this for one moment, this is a very strange line of reasoning indeed.

What is the benefit in increasing your desire for something? If you want something, get it. If you don't want it - better yet - you are content without. I cannot see the point in increasing your want for a thing. The exception might be if it is a good in itself. For example maybe if you can find a way to make exercise or studying more fun. But sex and interacting with women don't fall under those categories. They are not hardships on the way to something better but supposedly pleasurable ends in themselves.

I'm not convinced at all by this movement.
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Re: No Fap

Postby Pointerman » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:32 pm

Personally, I think it is initiated by twats. They know the less you clean the pipes, the more likely it is for you to slip up and nail some harpy that you shouldn't.
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Re: No Fap

Postby magx01 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:49 pm

I have not really read about it but the idea is supposedly that you can raise your free testosterone levels and that combined with the extra horniness is supposed to make it much easier to approach, as well as make you more attractive on a pheromone type level.
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Re: No Fap

Postby WheelBarrow » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:32 pm

I don't notice any benefit except pain in the balls if I go too long without rubbing a few out. At my age and stage of life being horny is of no benefit whatsoever.
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Re: No Fap

Postby all_in_chocolate » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:04 pm

PointermanKS wrote:Personally, I think it is initiated by twats. They know the less you clean the pipes, the more likely it is for you to slip up and nail some harpy that you shouldn't.


This.

No one goes home with a skank if his balls are empty.
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Re: No Fap

Postby Contrapositive » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:20 pm

If you search you will find forums of men who tried NOFAP for several months and completely lost their libidos. I was shocked when I read that and I never see it mentioned on any post promoting NOFAP. There is a link between NOFAP and prostate cancer. You need to exercise your prostate to keep it healthy.

I'm not entirely certain what the point of NOFAP is. Unless you're delusional enough to believe a woman actually loves you, sex is just using her body to jack off instead of a fleshlight or your hamd. That goes double for a ONS or pro. There's a feedback system to keep you from overstimulating yourself. Your prolactin will rise and you will get tired and disinterested in sex.

I really believe NOFAP is just some kind of self-flagellation, but not the fun kind.
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Re: No Fap

Postby Elaraith » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:19 pm

Contrapositive wrote:If you search you will find forums of men who tried NOFAP for several months and completely lost their libidos. I was shocked when I read that and I never see it mentioned on any post promoting NOFAP.


This happened to me. I wasn't doing NOFAP or anything, but I was so busy working and I ended up going a few months without. The libido came back after rubbing a few out over the course of a week or so.

I don't see the point in abstaining completely from fapping. There's no reason to go less than a few times a week. If you're fapping so much that you're losing sensation then yeah, take it easy for a while.

The porn thing I don't get either. I watch a lot of it regularly and I still get off to the exact same things I did when I started watching it ten years ago. I still get turned on just as much from the girls I see outside of the net. Maybe those who look at more and more extreme stuff are predisposed to liking it?
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Re: No Fap

Postby Jackalope » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:16 pm

I enjoy a daily fap with some HD content of my choice. I can attest that it is incredibly demotivating when it comes to dating/approaching women. Holding back on that is the only way I build up the motivation date in order to find a tolerable girl. That said, it's a incredible equalizer while in a relationship if you can sneak that daily fap in. The person with the lower libido in the relationship owns it.

Elaraith wrote:The porn thing I don't get either. I watch a lot of it regularly and I still get off to the exact same things I did when I started watching it ten years ago. I still get turned on just as much from the girls I see outside of the net. Maybe those who look at more and more extreme stuff are predisposed to liking it?


You see this stuff with kids who have had access to Youporn since age 10. They get into the real kinky shit early on and then have trouble getting into it with a regular girl. For me, porn is something you watch, sex is something you do. They are completely separate and one does not impact the enjoyment of the other.
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Re: No Fap

Postby TDG » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:29 pm

I see fapping like dropping the mag and racking the slide...

No one will get shot when a gun is in that state...
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Re: No Fap

Postby SardonicYuda » Thu May 07, 2015 12:18 am

i think it's more about willpower, honestly. focus your energy on other shit than pussy.

and then it got co-opted by women and their followers.
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Re: No Fap

Postby stewie » Fri May 08, 2015 5:32 pm

I definitely get more motivation, charisma, social aggression etc. when no fapping. Sex also feels amazing, probably necessary for fighting sports to increase aggression.

Your testosterone levels increase and peak at about a week, there is probably a benefit to going a few weeks. I've noticed increased muscle gains.

At some point you start to reverse but I don't think it's great as a man of action to be docile. Fapping constantly is a bit like castration or smoking a lot of weed. Feels good but not terribly productive.

That said, my record is 3 weeks but the level of desire and sensation at that point was amazing.

Currently on day 5, definitely feeling the positive physical/psychological effects.
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Re: No Fap

Postby Pendragon » Fri May 08, 2015 10:50 pm

Having been a person who was 110% sure I had a porn addiction by age 15.. And being in a relegious family I tried NOFAP.

I go to a summercamp and that year I just didn't jerk it. It's an all boys camp and I made it through the week. After I got home I rubbed one out, it felt good I do think that my testostrone levels went up because I saw red with a few kids late in the week.

I just don't care enough anymore. If I want to feel horney, have a little motivation for a workout or a martial arts class I'll just use a little willpower and not.

If I'm on a deadline and need to write an essay and in the back of my mind my brain is screaming at me to screw something I'll release myself and get to work. It's simple really... Just do what is best for you in that given situation.
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Re: No Fap

Postby ManWithAPlan » Fri May 08, 2015 11:16 pm

There are benefits and pitfalls.

If you don't jack off for a while, you'll be more aggressive, more confident, more ambitious, and less lazy/procrastinating as others have mentioned. The problem also becomes that you start finding more and more women attractive and you're willing to do more and more to get them.

I think a good middle ground is to jack off every 2-3 weeks (but it's a case by case basis). Get all the benefits, and then bail out before things get too bad. Then just repeat the process.

Most of the no fap people claim to do it because of self improvement, but a lot of things they discuss is usually "finally hooking up with a chick", which really seems to be the end goal of no fap. One group of people who are definitely over represented in that movement are the "foreveralones" who feel like they will never get a woman. I just started doing my own thing and completely ignored them (after barely acknowledging them in the first place) like 4-5 years ago.
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Re: No Fap

Postby toolate » Wed May 20, 2015 2:15 pm

Cuff your carrot while you can, eventually it will tire of the attention.

Use it, but don't abuse it.
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Re: No Fap

Postby Falcon » Sun May 24, 2015 11:38 am

In my opinion, NoFap does more harm than good. It's not so much the actual practice of not beating off, but the mindset I saw when I was at www.reddit.com/r/nofap

1. There is a lot of shame regarding sexuality. I think a lot of them are young and/or brought up in a strict religious household, because they seem to exhibit a strong sense of guilt and shame whenever they jerk it. If someone was happy with their sexuality, would they be upset for doing it? Of course not. Yet you see posts like "I just relapsed and feel horrible." If you're a heroin addict, yeah I can understand calling it a relapse, but associating masturbation as an evil activity will not create a healthy mindset. And what woman wants to be around a guy who doesn't have a positive view on sexuality? Speaking of women...

2. This is all for women, specifically their validation. I can see why, if you masturbate less, 'you'll be more inclined to talk to the opposite sex. But women are people too, and no matter what you do some women will like you and others won't like you no matter what you do. So when they inevitably get rejected by one, their whole world collapses and they "relapse". What does that say to you if your self worth is based off the reactions of women? You're going to be an unstable wreck. If you're doing this to get girls, be honest with yourself and realize masturbation won't have any major effect on getting women.

3. Excessive porn/masturbation isn't the cause of their issues, it's a symptom. Has anyone ever seen the show "Intervention"? Nine times out of ten, the addicts being interviewed are using heroin/meth/alcohol to cover up a traumatic event that happened in their lives. I'm not saying that's the case for NoFap, but if they're using it in excess, then they're probably using it to cover up something(like boredom).

I'm not saying using porn/beating off all the time is healthy. But like most things, moderation is key.
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Re: No Fap

Postby Contrarian » Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:05 pm

Stupidest idea I ever heard. Fapping helps me keep my head clear. Who comes up with this shit?

I'm with the guys who think women are behind it.
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Re: No Fap

Postby Morgu » Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:07 pm

EDIT: Who is trying to take away one of Morgu's favorite past times?

Who came up with this no fap idea and why should I not tie them to chair and make them watch disney's Frozen, in blue ray, over and over and over, until I had worn a hole clean through the blue ray disk?

...I also have disney's barbie version of the nutcracker, both the animated, and the on ice versions. I also have the soundtrack for both. Will swap into the line up with Frozen every now and then. I'm told variety is the spice of life. :twisted:

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Re: No Fap

Postby Naadvis » Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:49 am

Many friends here would probably feel I am lying

But at this age of 34 , I cant live without doing it at least twice a day . that combined with early morning boner. My wife hates it when the bed shakes a bit every morning when I am onto it . Hell but then I guess most married men do the same

At times when I am alone at home , my score can go upto 5 a day. Heck look like I might need help
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Re: No Fap

Postby Demosthenes » Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:09 am

This is just more 'control of male sexuality'.

Tell men not to do it. Tell women it's ok and encourage them to because it's natural and healthy.

Notice women get upset if they think they aren't enough even if he's only using his hand, but a man is not supposed to complain if she breaks out the dildos and the Hitachi Super-vibe Magic Wand.

If men are convinced that they shouldn't, then that means engaging in sex and the sexual dynamic ultimately puts a woman in much more control. Women want to be a man's only sexual outlet, but women still want to retain all of the options they deny men.

He can't masturbate, but she can. He can't use sexual aids or toys, but she can. He shouldn't flirt, but it's fine if she does. If he's jealous, it's bad and displays controlling behavior somehow. If she's jealous, it's ok, and he obviously did something wrong too.

And all of that has even exploded into - He has to be monogamous, but she can have sex with whomever she pleases and she should be able to have another man's child and he should be OK with that.

Do it, or don't. - Masturbate, Watch Porn. - Do what you want.

Stop ceding control to women and blowing bullshit like NoFap out of proportion. It's an obvious control mechanism.
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Re: No Fap

Postby SardonicYuda » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:16 am

Demosthenes wrote:This is just more 'control of male sexuality'.

Tell men not to do it. Tell women it's ok and encourage them to because it's natural and healthy.

Notice women get upset if they think they aren't enough even if he's only using his hand, but a man is not supposed to complain if she breaks out the dildos and the Hitachi Super-vibe Magic Wand.

If men are convinced that they shouldn't, then that means engaging in sex and the sexual dynamic ultimately puts a woman in much more control. Women want to be a man's only sexual outlet, but women still want to retain all of the options they deny men.

He can't masturbate, but she can. He can't use sexual aids or toys, but she can. He shouldn't flirt, but it's fine if she does. If he's jealous, it's bad and displays controlling behavior somehow. If she's jealous, it's ok, and he obviously did something wrong too.

And all of that has even exploded into - He has to be monogamous, but she can have sex with whomever she pleases and she should be able to have another man's child and he should be OK with that.

Do it, or don't. - Masturbate, Watch Porn. - Do what you want.

Stop ceding control to women and blowing bullshit like NoFap out of proportion. It's an obvious control mechanism.

when I first started nofap I wanted to more or less get rid of my sex drive, thinking it was a large part of my problems. thankfully someone pointed out the red pill to me and I dropped nofap like a bad habit. self control is important, but that place is full of mangina s doing it for their women or the women they'd hope to have. makes me want to puke just thinking about it.
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Re: No Fap

Postby Notorious GIT » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:02 pm

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Re: No Fap

Postby Slick » Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:03 pm

xtc wrote:They promise immense, but vague, benefits.


Yeah - there's a "benefit" alright, unfortunately that benefit goes to females in the form of having better odds at manipulating a man. For a young fellow with a high libido, fapping before a night out trolling for broads goes a long ways to prevent getting hooked up with a beast..
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Re: No Fap

Postby deadb0y » Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:50 am

I too think the whole "campaign" is probably set up by women...

For me if it's done right, 2 or 3 times in short succession to really drain the fuckers empty, it's a good thing... If it's done wrong it has the opposite effect, it actually turns me into an angry lust monster that sees fuck able pussy everywhere.

I really can't see the benefit of carrying all that green shit around with you or how it could be seen as a healthy thing to do!
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Re: No Fap

Postby a_real_man » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:39 pm

Kinda late, but I'll post my experience anyway. I did No Fap for 2 months in a row. That's 60. Mother. Fucking. Days.

In a Row.

60.

It was horrible.

Let me describe the observations of the experiment and later I'll get to the motivation and conclusions.
Observations:
- Even if you don't have wet dreams, you will start getting wet dreams. On a regular basis. One per 3 days. Meaning your boy is saying it's time to cum whether you like it or not.
- Even females that you would normally consider fucking ugly will be attractive. It's like (black) magic. When you look at a female, you will not see her, you will see a blurred figure with feminine aura and you will be attracted to it.
- You will be moody. I remember waking up one day and being pissed, for no apparent reason. That doesn't happen to me ever. I attribute it to No Fap.
- I don't think your success with women will be any different. Maybe worse. You might just think it is because you're stooping so low and because you're too busy being horny to realize it.

Motivation:
Some on No Fap will say you get super powers or whateverthefuck... but that wasn't my motivation. There is research out there that shows that your testosterone elevates gradually, peaks around 1 or 2 weeks later, and will then start dropping again, but will stay above your "fapped" state. In other words, more testosterone. Sounds good to me. Additionally, various athletes go on no sex breaks to increase their test levels. More motivation is that even though fapping can be fun, it's still time consuming. I also find myself getting less and less turned on by the same stuff. E.g., if I go on xvideos or whatever I don't even get a boner unless I haven't fapped for 2-3 days or found something sexy. Whereas in the horny state I need only think about porn and I'll already get a boner. So there's definitely habituation which makes fapping more work and less fun.

Conclusions:
DO NOT FUCKING DO IT FOR LONGER THAN A COUPLE WEEKS. See observations for why.

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Homer, in the second book of the Iliad, says with fine enthusiasm, “Give me masturbation or give me death!”

Caesar, in his Commentaries, says, “To the lonely it is company; to the forsaken it is a friend; to the aged and impotent it is a benefactor; they that be penniless are yet rich, in that they still have this majestic diversion.”

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Re: No Fap

Postby chiefbrownmonk » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:51 pm

Naadvis wrote:Many friends here would probably feel I am lying

But at this age of 34 , I cant live without doing it at least twice a day . that combined with early morning boner. My wife hates it when the bed shakes a bit every morning when I am onto it . Hell but then I guess most married men do the same

At times when I am alone at home , my score can go upto 5 a day. Heck look like I might need help


36. Still rub one out right before bed and one first thing in the morning. Funny part is I actually get sex on demand with her wearing lingerie and heels. And I still rub one out. I'll tell ya, regardless of the attractiveness of the woman, it's great to rub it out. Especially the morning boner. Even on weekends when I have the ability to get laid as I want to, I still prefer a rub out over the sex.

Maybe that says enough about how I really feel about women. Incidentally, the fiver when I'm home by myself used to worry me as well. Good to see I'm not alone.

PS: Considering buying myself an autoblow2 for Christmas because why the fuck not?
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